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	<description>Of all the Micah Tillmans in the world -- and there are at least three -- ... I am this one.</description>
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		<title>By: Micah Tillman</title>
		<link>http://micahtillman.com/2007/12/12/what-a-sport-is/comment-page-1/#comment-21648</link>
		<dc:creator>Micah Tillman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 11:28:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Tripp!

Nicely done! 

My response:

First, physical movement about an area &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; essential to golf, since you have to move from where you hit the ball to where it stops (at which point you have to hit it again).  The whole point of the game is to get a ball from &quot;point A&quot; to &quot;point B.&quot; And that requires physical movement (except in the &quot;limit case&quot; of a hole in 1).

Second, swimming and playing golf by yourself are only called &quot;sports&quot; because they are related to the competitive sport of swimming or playing against other people (or, as you point out, because you can imitate the competition with others by competing with yourself).  It&#039;s an example of what Aristotle calls &quot;pros hen&quot; predication.  If A is a &quot;main thing&quot; and B, C, D, etc. are somehow related to A, you often call B, C, and D by A&#039;s name.  (For example, &quot;healthy&quot; is most properly a description of a human body, but since certain foods and activities are related to having a healthy body, you call them &quot;healthy&quot; too.)

Finally, competition and rules aren&#039;t enough to define sports, because games like chess, poker, etc. also are competitions governed by rules. And they aren&#039;t sports.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Tripp!</p>
<p>Nicely done! </p>
<p>My response:</p>
<p>First, physical movement about an area <em>is</em> essential to golf, since you have to move from where you hit the ball to where it stops (at which point you have to hit it again).  The whole point of the game is to get a ball from &#8220;point A&#8221; to &#8220;point B.&#8221; And that requires physical movement (except in the &#8220;limit case&#8221; of a hole in 1).</p>
<p>Second, swimming and playing golf by yourself are only called &#8220;sports&#8221; because they are related to the competitive sport of swimming or playing against other people (or, as you point out, because you can imitate the competition with others by competing with yourself).  It&#8217;s an example of what Aristotle calls &#8220;pros hen&#8221; predication.  If A is a &#8220;main thing&#8221; and B, C, D, etc. are somehow related to A, you often call B, C, and D by A&#8217;s name.  (For example, &#8220;healthy&#8221; is most properly a description of a human body, but since certain foods and activities are related to having a healthy body, you call them &#8220;healthy&#8221; too.)</p>
<p>Finally, competition and rules aren&#8217;t enough to define sports, because games like chess, poker, etc. also are competitions governed by rules. And they aren&#8217;t sports.</p>
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		<title>By: Tripp</title>
		<link>http://micahtillman.com/2007/12/12/what-a-sport-is/comment-page-1/#comment-21638</link>
		<dc:creator>Tripp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 05:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Tillman,

Sport can ONLY be defined as the following: a competitive endeavor governed by rules or customs. The only two mandatory requirements for an activity to be accurately identified as sport, then, is that said activity is competitive and that it has rules. That&#039;s it. There need not be more than one competitor, or even physical movement. The best examples I can immediately think of are golf and swimming. One can excel at golf and/or swimming without ever competing against anyone...one competes against a set number of strokes for the course--&quot;par,&quot; and a time as determined by a stopwatch, respectively. In this regard, one is competing against either himself (if he is trying to beat his best score in the past), someone else who may not be present (the score of a famous golfer seen on television), or against time . The only movement required in golf is the swing (and ball-striking) itself, for which the golfer remains planted in a stationary position, moving his upper body only. The walking and/ or cart-riding between holes is in NO WAY essential to the game--only the striking of the ball is.  Your point about chess is therefore invalid (&quot;the pieces are immaterial&quot;); in golf, all that matters is how far the ball (an immaterial object) moves, yet golf is universally acknowledged as a sport. Competition and rules are the only necessary ingredients of the delicious gumbo we call sports.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Tillman,</p>
<p>Sport can ONLY be defined as the following: a competitive endeavor governed by rules or customs. The only two mandatory requirements for an activity to be accurately identified as sport, then, is that said activity is competitive and that it has rules. That&#8217;s it. There need not be more than one competitor, or even physical movement. The best examples I can immediately think of are golf and swimming. One can excel at golf and/or swimming without ever competing against anyone&#8230;one competes against a set number of strokes for the course&#8211;&#8221;par,&#8221; and a time as determined by a stopwatch, respectively. In this regard, one is competing against either himself (if he is trying to beat his best score in the past), someone else who may not be present (the score of a famous golfer seen on television), or against time . The only movement required in golf is the swing (and ball-striking) itself, for which the golfer remains planted in a stationary position, moving his upper body only. The walking and/ or cart-riding between holes is in NO WAY essential to the game&#8211;only the striking of the ball is.  Your point about chess is therefore invalid (&#8220;the pieces are immaterial&#8221;); in golf, all that matters is how far the ball (an immaterial object) moves, yet golf is universally acknowledged as a sport. Competition and rules are the only necessary ingredients of the delicious gumbo we call sports.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Stevens</title>
		<link>http://micahtillman.com/2007/12/12/what-a-sport-is/comment-page-1/#comment-1015</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 05:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, as Scott alluded, Calvinball is a game played in the comic strip &#039;Calvin and Hobbes.&#039;  The game famously had its rules made up on the fly and was &quot;never played the same way twice.&quot;  It was athletic and had some sort of scoring system.  I mentioned it because I was curious if the physical games people make up in their own backyards are sports or not.

I just thought of poker, by the way, which some people consider a sport.  I should clarify my own position.  I&#039;m not convinced that sports must have an intrinsically physical component, which is why I consider chess a sport, but I don&#039;t actually object to that definition.  If you want to define sports so chess is out, I&#039;m okay with that.  The word &quot;sports,&quot; unlike many other concept words, clearly refers to an entirely artificial category, which is why the definition is so flexible and the word can&#039;t actually be defined precisely without disagreement.  We should be cautious about taking this too far, though.  Abraham Lincoln once asked a visiting Doctor of Divinity, &quot;Counting a tail as a leg, how many legs does a sheep have?&quot;  &quot;Five,&quot; replied the clergyman.  Lincoln responded, &quot;No.  Pretending a tail is a leg doesn&#039;t make it one.&quot;  Lincoln was a very wise man and I think he was right on about this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, as Scott alluded, Calvinball is a game played in the comic strip &#8216;Calvin and Hobbes.&#8217;  The game famously had its rules made up on the fly and was &#8220;never played the same way twice.&#8221;  It was athletic and had some sort of scoring system.  I mentioned it because I was curious if the physical games people make up in their own backyards are sports or not.</p>
<p>I just thought of poker, by the way, which some people consider a sport.  I should clarify my own position.  I&#8217;m not convinced that sports must have an intrinsically physical component, which is why I consider chess a sport, but I don&#8217;t actually object to that definition.  If you want to define sports so chess is out, I&#8217;m okay with that.  The word &#8220;sports,&#8221; unlike many other concept words, clearly refers to an entirely artificial category, which is why the definition is so flexible and the word can&#8217;t actually be defined precisely without disagreement.  We should be cautious about taking this too far, though.  Abraham Lincoln once asked a visiting Doctor of Divinity, &#8220;Counting a tail as a leg, how many legs does a sheep have?&#8221;  &#8220;Five,&#8221; replied the clergyman.  Lincoln responded, &#8220;No.  Pretending a tail is a leg doesn&#8217;t make it one.&#8221;  Lincoln was a very wise man and I think he was right on about this.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 18:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sports illiterate is one thing.

I&#039;m not sure I can forgive someone for being Calvin and Hobbes illiterate, however.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sports illiterate is one thing.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure I can forgive someone for being Calvin and Hobbes illiterate, however.</p>
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		<title>By: jeffsdeepthoughts</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeffsdeepthoughts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 12:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s Calvinball?  (I&#039;m the least sports-literate person you&#039;ll ever meet.  This might be a blindingly obvious question.)

Is there some hidden value judgement in the term &quot;sport&quot;?  Do we have a tendency to want our personal favorite games or contests to count as sports because there is something inherently good about being counted as a sport... Does calling a game a sport imply it&#039;s somehow legitimate?
Curling seems silly to me.  It&#039;s easy to imagine that I might argue with a curler (is that what you call somebody who practices curling?) as to whether her game is a sport.  As a non-fan of curling, I&#039;d most likely take the &#039;it&#039;s-not-a-sport&#039; position.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s Calvinball?  (I&#8217;m the least sports-literate person you&#8217;ll ever meet.  This might be a blindingly obvious question.)</p>
<p>Is there some hidden value judgement in the term &#8220;sport&#8221;?  Do we have a tendency to want our personal favorite games or contests to count as sports because there is something inherently good about being counted as a sport&#8230; Does calling a game a sport imply it&#8217;s somehow legitimate?<br />
Curling seems silly to me.  It&#8217;s easy to imagine that I might argue with a curler (is that what you call somebody who practices curling?) as to whether her game is a sport.  As a non-fan of curling, I&#8217;d most likely take the &#8216;it&#8217;s-not-a-sport&#8217; position.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Stevens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 01:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bridge.  (Mentioned above and my own game of choice.)  However, the game pretty much has to have a meaningful and hotly contested world title before anybody thinks it qualifies.  

So here&#039;s one.  Is Calvinball a sport?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bridge.  (Mentioned above and my own game of choice.)  However, the game pretty much has to have a meaningful and hotly contested world title before anybody thinks it qualifies.  </p>
<p>So here&#8217;s one.  Is Calvinball a sport?</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Salk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Salk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:13:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have the August, 1972 Sports Illustrated with Bobby Fischer on the cover.  Other than chess, I can&#039;t think of any other classically defined &quot;game” that&#039;s sanctioned as a sport.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have the August, 1972 Sports Illustrated with Bobby Fischer on the cover.  Other than chess, I can&#8217;t think of any other classically defined &#8220;game” that&#8217;s sanctioned as a sport.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The simple fact of the matter is that the term sport has always been a very broad term.  I think it&#039;s only recently, as the media culture has evolved and &quot;sport coverage&quot; became dominant and, at least initially, focused on athletic competitions, that the clamour to refine the definition has arisen.

When most people talk about what is a sport anymore, they are talking about what they should see on ESPN or their local sports page.   Micah is one of the few people I&#039;ve seen give the &quot;what is a sport?&quot; question serious treatment without really just proceeding to outline the parameters of an athletic competition.

He&#039;s wrong, but at least he was somewhat original :-)  (You rock, Micah!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The simple fact of the matter is that the term sport has always been a very broad term.  I think it&#8217;s only recently, as the media culture has evolved and &#8220;sport coverage&#8221; became dominant and, at least initially, focused on athletic competitions, that the clamour to refine the definition has arisen.</p>
<p>When most people talk about what is a sport anymore, they are talking about what they should see on ESPN or their local sports page.   Micah is one of the few people I&#8217;ve seen give the &#8220;what is a sport?&#8221; question serious treatment without really just proceeding to outline the parameters of an athletic competition.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s wrong, but at least he was somewhat original :-)  (You rock, Micah!)</p>
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		<title>By: jeffsdeepthoughts</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeffsdeepthoughts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before I&#039;d read that a certain somebody couldn&#039;t be named in this post I&#039;d planned on invoking him... In fact, I think I will.  We&#039;ll call him the Philosopher Who Must Not Be Named.  Micah can always delete this post with no hard feelings from me if he needs to.
The P.W.M.N.B.D. used the term &quot;games&quot; I think as the archetypal example of a word which doesn&#039;t have a real definition, just a series of resemblances.  
It seems to me he&#039;s probably right.  It also seems to me that sports are a subset of the category games.  And though some subsets of the &quot;game&quot; category might have dictionary definitions, I think that atleast some of them must not.  Because if each subset had a dictionary definition, then the whole set, by definition would have one... said definition simply being a list of all the definitions of the subsets.
I think sports is one of those subsets which only has resemblances, not definitions... Therefore, I think you&#039;re going to run into problems with any suggested definition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before I&#8217;d read that a certain somebody couldn&#8217;t be named in this post I&#8217;d planned on invoking him&#8230; In fact, I think I will.  We&#8217;ll call him the Philosopher Who Must Not Be Named.  Micah can always delete this post with no hard feelings from me if he needs to.<br />
The P.W.M.N.B.D. used the term &#8220;games&#8221; I think as the archetypal example of a word which doesn&#8217;t have a real definition, just a series of resemblances.<br />
It seems to me he&#8217;s probably right.  It also seems to me that sports are a subset of the category games.  And though some subsets of the &#8220;game&#8221; category might have dictionary definitions, I think that atleast some of them must not.  Because if each subset had a dictionary definition, then the whole set, by definition would have one&#8230; said definition simply being a list of all the definitions of the subsets.<br />
I think sports is one of those subsets which only has resemblances, not definitions&#8230; Therefore, I think you&#8217;re going to run into problems with any suggested definition.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Stevens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see where you&#039;re coming from, but I&#039;m sticking to my definition.  If the scoring were really that well-defined, the judges would come to (at least roughly) the same conclusion a lot more often than they do.  Figure skating isn&#039;t difficult to eliminate, because as near as I can tell, it&#039;s completely fraudulent.  (I know that major reforms have been pushed through since the last Olympics though.)  Professional boxing often suffers from the same problem.  I don&#039;t know much about Olympic boxing; it&#039;s quite possible it&#039;s a sport.  Gymnastics has bonus points for &quot;virtuosity&quot; and there have been many cases when gymnasts have received a perfect 10 despite a wobbly dismount, showing that even the amount of bonus points, though in theory limited, in practice isn&#039;t.  Also, deductions are allowed for &quot;artistry.&quot;  I&#039;m not saying this &lt;i&gt;can&#039;t&lt;/i&gt; be objective; I&#039;m just saying I doubt it very often is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see where you&#8217;re coming from, but I&#8217;m sticking to my definition.  If the scoring were really that well-defined, the judges would come to (at least roughly) the same conclusion a lot more often than they do.  Figure skating isn&#8217;t difficult to eliminate, because as near as I can tell, it&#8217;s completely fraudulent.  (I know that major reforms have been pushed through since the last Olympics though.)  Professional boxing often suffers from the same problem.  I don&#8217;t know much about Olympic boxing; it&#8217;s quite possible it&#8217;s a sport.  Gymnastics has bonus points for &#8220;virtuosity&#8221; and there have been many cases when gymnasts have received a perfect 10 despite a wobbly dismount, showing that even the amount of bonus points, though in theory limited, in practice isn&#8217;t.  Also, deductions are allowed for &#8220;artistry.&#8221;  I&#8217;m not saying this <i>can&#8217;t</i> be objective; I&#8217;m just saying I doubt it very often is.</p>
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